Second Referendum
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(04-05-2019, 12:38 PM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 09:03 PM)baggy1 Wrote: I love posts like this with a passing reference to WTO terms as if they are the most natural thing going. Nobody on the planet uses these and there is good reason why. Without googling can you tell me any of these WTO terms?

I am always somewhat amused that some brexiteers seem very keen on WTO terms.

These are the rules of international trade set by the WTO not crucially parliament. How on earth is this taking back control.

Well, the UK/EU is a signatory to WTO and rules set up effectively "co-operatively" to try to avoid/resolve disputes.  Whether Remain or Leave, it's a world forum.   The "bound" WTO rates are the basics which inevitably are negotiated.  We really should be talking about "Rest of World" rules, which is the term used by HMRC and industry.
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(04-03-2019, 09:14 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote: And by the way, the German and French industries don't care, the French industrial bodies along with their government have been pursuing a hard line since day one and the German trade bodies have stood behind their governments. That was a lie, stop repeating it.
“German business fears No Deal Brexit...”


https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/compa...czgvSn-ap3


“102,900 German Jobs at risk” Germany’s Economy minister warns.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/...hard-brexi

Not just the U.K that’s going to suffer a Supper Gonorrhoea epidemic then.
https://www.thelocal.de/20190328/health-...in-germany

“France is particularly worried not only because it has thousands of companies exporting to Britain, but also because the bulk of high-value, time-sensitive trade in fresh produce and vehicle parts between the UK and the rest of the EU passes through the Channel tunnel and British and French ports on either side of the Channel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/...ess-crisis

Dairy farmer.
https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/01...=520591327

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hard-...-f9pk90765

Now, what was that about perpetuating a lie?
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(04-09-2019, 01:49 PM)John Osborne’s Knuckle Wrote:
(04-03-2019, 09:14 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote: And by the way, the German and French industries don't care, the French industrial bodies along with their government have been pursuing a hard line since day one and the German trade bodies have stood behind their governments. That was a lie, stop repeating it.
“German business fears No Deal Brexit...”


https://www.handelsblatt.com/today/compa...czgvSn-ap3


“102,900 German Jobs at risk” Germany’s Economy minister warns.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/...hard-brexi

Not just the U.K that’s going to suffer a Supper Gonorrhoea epidemic then.
https://www.thelocal.de/20190328/health-...in-germany

“France is particularly worried not only because it has thousands of companies exporting to Britain, but also because the bulk of high-value, time-sensitive trade in fresh produce and vehicle parts between the UK and the rest of the EU passes through the Channel tunnel and British and French ports on either side of the Channel.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/...ess-crisis

Dairy farmer.
https://www.reuters.com/video/2019/03/01...=520591327

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/hard-...-f9pk90765

Now, what was that about perpetuating a lie?

Right, so I've read all the articles (including the express ones, can't believe people still buy that rag) and watched the Reuters video and I don't get what your point is. My response, that you conveniently missed out, was in response to Tetley's point of German and French industry would put pressure on their respective governments for a new deal. Given that the EU closed their negotiations months ago and are extremely reluctant to reopen negotiations and said pressure has failed to materialise, how am I lying? Businesses saying that no-deal is shit isn't lobbying their governments to pressure the EU and reopen negotiations but is merely stating the obvious. Unless your point is that no deal is shit, then I agree, it's the least preferred outcome for everybody, but then if that is your point it's completely irrelevant to the bit you quoted.

Here's a link explaining the French, and the Dutch, hard line negotiation stance - to paraphrase, no deal is so stupid that we surely wouldn't agree to it and the UK should make its demands more clear. And that has been their stance since day one, so I wasn't lying there. And some bodies, like the French art trade body, want the French government to be even harder.

Here is the German car industry explaining why they don't care - in summary, it's about the German government's stance which is to protect the single market.

The ultimate problem with this is that the French and German industries, and the rest of the EU industries, don't care about lobbying internally on our behalf hence the EU27 have been united with the EU commission on Brexit negotiations. Do they want no deal? No. Is Brexit their main priority? No.
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