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Playing out from the back
#21
(09-01-2018, 07:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I can’t see it changing anytime soon given the coaching staff, but I think it would be prudent to have a better balance of knowing when to play and when to twat it upfield / into the stand.

Almost every attack they created in the first half was because we over played it at the back with centre halves not used to, or perhaps not good enough to play that way. Heck even Man City give opponents chances playing that way. It’s exciting, and pleasing on the eye but against any team with a cutting edge it will see us ripped apart.

KitKat get used to it imo as it’s not going to change and whilst it’s refreshing it would see us struggle if we got promotion.
Agreed
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#22
(09-01-2018, 08:22 PM)Heath Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 07:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I can’t see it changing anytime soon given the coaching staff, but I think it would be prudent to have a better balance of knowing when to play and when to twat it upfield / into the stand.

Almost every attack they created in the first half was because we over played it at the back with centre halves not used to, or perhaps not good enough to play that way. Heck even Man City give opponents chances playing that way. It’s exciting, and pleasing on the eye but against any team with a cutting edge it will see us ripped apart.

KitKat get used to it imo as it’s not going to change and whilst it’s refreshing it would see us struggle if we got promotion.
Agreed

There seems to be a split tonight across various platforms from those who are pleased to see it, to those who are petrified by it. My comment at the end of the game was it is good there are no decent teams in this division!! We can worry about the prem if we ever get there.

At least we aren't talking about Pulisball and 1 shot a game, so that is a vast improvement.
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#23
(09-01-2018, 05:36 PM)swordfish Wrote: I think there should be a balance and currently we are overdoing it. I understand BD wants to change the system, I understand it'll take time, I know I'll be patient.....but Bloody Hell, it's terrifying!
We created enough for another 7 goals, we also created enough for Stoke to have 4.

Today was the best thriller/horror movie since the Exorcist = terifying.  Together with our goals fantastic VFM   Big Grin
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#24
(09-01-2018, 07:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I can’t see it changing anytime soon given the coaching staff, but I think it would be prudent to have a better balance of knowing when to play and when to twat it upfield / into the stand.

Almost every attack they created in the first half was because we over played it at the back with centre halves not used to, or perhaps not good enough to play that way. Heck even Man City give opponents chances playing that way. It’s exciting, and pleasing on the eye but against any team with a cutting edge it will see us ripped apart.

KitKat get used to it imo as it’s not going to change and whilst it’s refreshing it would see us struggle if we got promotion.

I do like us playing this way and we can probably get away with it against most teams in this division, if we went up we'd either have to get far better at it or change tactics.
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(09-01-2018, 05:36 PM)swordfish Wrote: I think there should be a balance and currently we are overdoing it. I understand BD wants to change the system, I understand it'll take time, I know I'll be patient.....but Bloody Hell, it's terrifying!
We created enough for another 7 goals, we also created enough for Stoke to have 4.
I agree re balance but i’m not convinced it isn’t in part to do with a Johnstone’s kicking?

Gives you palpitations though....

(09-01-2018, 08:22 PM)Heath Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 07:16 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: I can’t see it changing anytime soon given the coaching staff, but I think it would be prudent to have a better balance of knowing when to play and when to twat it upfield / into the stand.

Almost every attack they created in the first half was because we over played it at the back with centre halves not used to, or perhaps not good enough to play that way. Heck even Man City give opponents chances playing that way. It’s exciting, and pleasing on the eye but against any team with a cutting edge it will see us ripped apart.

KitKat get used to it imo as it’s not going to change and whilst it’s refreshing it would see us struggle if we got promotion.
Agreed
Second paragraph is spot on. We were our own worst enemies.
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#26
(09-01-2018, 05:56 PM)WorcBaggie Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 05:28 PM)Kit Kat chunky Wrote: Firstly - great result today, and some impressive performances mentioned in other threads. I was pleased with the display.

Is anyone else worried about playing out from the back in front of our own penalty box - because I am. 


Yes I am a dinosaur, and yes I understand that teams like Man City do it, but we don't have the personnel to play this way. I'm not advocating Pulisball, but over reliance on building from the back will cost us goals when we are caught in possession.

It's just a damn good job that the general quality of this division is so piss poor that we probably won't be penalised too much.
Absolutely love it. It's obviously going to take time to perfect but generally really pleased with it. When it works, sucking the opponents in and playing forward quickly, it's an absolute joy to watch. Other times, it's heart stopping but comes with the territory.

totally agree, compared to the usual hoof up field then loose possession straight away im fine with it nice to see us trying to play football and trying something different we will undoubtedly screw it up and it will cost us at some point but that's the risk you take.
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#27
(09-01-2018, 05:57 PM)ElbowGrease73 Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 05:30 PM)cunninghamismagic Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 05:28 PM)Kit Kat chunky Wrote: Firstly - great result today, and some impressive performances mentioned in other threads. I was pleased with the display.

Is anyone else worried about playing out from the back in front of our own penalty box - because I am. 

Yes I am a dinosaur, and yes I understand that teams like Man City do it, but we don't have the personnel to play this way. I'm not advocating Pulisball, but over reliance on building from the back will cost us goals when we are caught in possession.

It's just a damn good job that the general quality of this division is so piss poor that we probably won't be penalised too much.

No. Far prefer that to hoofing it up front and losing it straight away.
Same here. I think the keeper needs to maybe mix it a little bit more, but I think it's quite encouraging to see us try and play football the way it should be played.

As much as I loved Big Dave as a player, it's not a style of play that would have suited him though  Smile Funny how a Manager's approach is often not reflective in how they played the game.
Agreed. Mowbray was last footballing manager we had & he was also a stopper centre half with no intention of playing good football,
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#28
(09-01-2018, 05:28 PM)Kit Kat chunky Wrote: Firstly - great result today, and some impressive performances mentioned in other threads. I was pleased with the display.

Is anyone else worried about playing out from the back in front of our own penalty box - because I am. 

Yes I am a dinosaur, and yes I understand that teams like Man City do it, but we don't have the personnel to play this way. I'm not advocating Pulisball, but over reliance on building from the back will cost us goals when we are caught in possession.

It's just a damn good job that the general quality of this division is so piss poor that we probably won't be penalised too much.

It's early days and Dawson's first game so bound to be a bit scary which it was at times.  I think we have to be cute enough to mix it up as teams will suss this quickly by pressing the 3 of them and the keeper and will inevitably result in a goal. 

Fantastic to see how big we've made the pitch but at times again we need to more compact.  I just hope they're not going to be too dogmatic and have a splash of pragmatism when necessary which I'm sure they will. 

Certainly never a dull moment. 

Hegazi looked more his old self yesterday as the game wore on which was good to see. 

Bartley loves a head bandage, I reckon Wile's his ultimate hero.
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#29
I like playing from the back but has to be mixed up. If one of back 3 has time and space, great. Do it. But if delayed and they're being pressed, don't put ourselves under pressure like we did yesterday. If teams have pushed on us, SJ should have options half way to pick out.
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#30
(09-02-2018, 06:41 AM)Hopalong Wrote:
(09-01-2018, 05:28 PM)Kit Kat chunky Wrote: Firstly - great result today, and some impressive performances mentioned in other threads. I was pleased with the display.

Is anyone else worried about playing out from the back in front of our own penalty box - because I am. 

Yes I am a dinosaur, and yes I understand that teams like Man City do it, but we don't have the personnel to play this way. I'm not advocating Pulisball, but over reliance on building from the back will cost us goals when we are caught in possession.

It's just a damn good job that the general quality of this division is so piss poor that we probably won't be penalised too much.

It's early days and Dawson's first game so bound to be a bit scary which it was at times.  I think we have to be cute enough to mix it up as teams will suss this quickly by pressing the 3 of them and the keeper and will inevitably result in a goal. 

Fantastic to see how big we've made the pitch but at times again we need to more compact.  I just hope they're not going to be too dogmatic and have a splash of pragmatism when necessary which I'm sure they will. 

Certainly never a dull moment. 

Hegazi looked more his old self yesterday as the game wore on which was good to see. 

Bartley loves a head bandage, I reckon Wile's his ultimate hero.

Is it me or have the pitch dimensions changed? Looks bigger imo
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