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#31
(03-19-2021, 12:56 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 12:51 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 12:25 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 11:47 AM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 10:58 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Assuming that it was Wightman that voted with the Unionist contingent, you think a socialist and member of the Scottish Greens would be on Salmond's side?

Hang on, you're trying to convince me now that the committee isn't partisan by stating that it's voted on partisan lines? Make your mind up.

The Scottish Greens are in government in Scotland. At least one person who is a member of a party in government in Scotland, either an SNP MSP or Wightman, has voted against the government position that their party endorsed. How is that remotely partisan?

Yes, and you don't know who it is. Wee Nippy says the committee has split on "partisan" lines. I don't believe much of what she says but I'm pretty convinced that's true.

It is functionally impossible for this to be split on partisan lines, due to a member of a party in government in Scotland literally voting against their party's interests.

"strong supporter of a party, cause, or person."
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#32
(03-19-2021, 01:00 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 12:56 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 12:51 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 12:25 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(03-19-2021, 11:47 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Hang on, you're trying to convince me now that the committee isn't partisan by stating that it's voted on partisan lines? Make your mind up.

The Scottish Greens are in government in Scotland. At least one person who is a member of a party in government in Scotland, either an SNP MSP or Wightman, has voted against the government position that their party endorsed. How is that remotely partisan?

Yes, and you don't know who it is. Wee Nippy says the committee has split on "partisan" lines. I don't believe much of what she says but I'm pretty convinced that's true.

It is functionally impossible for this to be split on partisan lines, due to a member of a party in government in Scotland literally voting against their party's interests.

"strong supporter of a party, cause, or person."

So the committee isn't partisan then, as at most 4 out of 9 people voted in support of what Sturgeon said and at least 1 person voted against their party's stance on the matter.
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#33
<Facepalm>
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#34
Have you just realised your misapplication of a definition that you used in desperation to prevent yourself from admitting that the select committee structure is exactly the same as the one deployed in Westminster which it is modelled on as evidenced by the fact that this one has not voted on partisan lines by going against the government position, therefore scrutinising the Scottish government and in particular the First Minister, probably wasn't a good idea?
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#35
No, I'm simply in awe of your tendency to defend the indefensible on this thread and the other one.
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#36
In this thread, you lied about there being no select committee structure in Scotland, wrongly attributed the select committee structure in Westminster to being Thatcher's creation when it wasn't, failed to list any examples of Scottish Parliament select committees being highly partisan, have attributed the partisanship in Scottish politics to the independence movement and then claimed a clear example of someone voting against their "side" regarding independence as being partisan to someone who the Committee wasn't even looking at. And all you have done is try to gaslight me and move the goalposts.

In the other thread, I have not defended anything as far as I'm aware. All I have done is correct your misinterpretation of functional procedures and call out your extreme and quite frankly bizarre comparisons. Please, explicitly tell me what you think I have defended.
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#37
(03-03-2021, 09:43 AM)Shabby Russian Wrote:
(02-26-2021, 09:08 AM)Protheroe Wrote: Who'd have thought that Scotland could turn from a rancid one-party state under Labour before devoultion to a rancid one-party state under the SNP after devolution?

As it is the FM is answerable to no-one under the Scottish system.

Sorry i must have had a Rip Van Winkle moment when other political parties were banned in Scotland, because if you were using the term one party state correctly, you would know that it refers to a situation where only one political party is allowed to operate.

What i think you meant to say that is over the last 40 years of UK politics, the Conservative party has been very unpopular in Scotland, leading to a series of poor election results At no time were they banned from standing at elections and at no time has it been illegal to be a member of the Scottish Conservative Party.

And of course it should go without saying, that if Scotland had been a one party state under Labour, Labour would stilll be in power in Scotland. Whilst i am not sure it has been overall a good thing for UK politics, the demise of the Scottish Labour Party has shown what happens when a political party takes its voters loyalty for granted, and in that we should rejoice at the power democracy can have.

I am sure it was not meant literally.

However, there is a worrying lack of separation between Government, party and civil service in Scotland in relation tonthe SNP.
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#38
(03-21-2021, 06:46 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: In the other thread, I have not defended anything as far as I'm aware. All I have done is correct your misinterpretation of functional procedures and call out your extreme and quite frankly bizarre comparisons. Please, explicitly tell me what you think I have defended.
BB, I regularly find that merely pointing out inaccuracies, falsehoods and hypocrisy is always classed as  'defending' that poster's particular obsessive hate object.  The difference with Proth is, he keeps digging his hole.
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#39
(03-21-2021, 06:46 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: All I have done is correct your misinterpretation of functional procedures

You haven't "corrected" anything. You made a contention about the Scottish select committee structure that's not supported by outcomes, just as you have continually about the EU.
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#40
I listed an example of a Scottish Select Committee on Nicola Sturgeon literally finding against the pro-independence side of things and applying scrutiny despite having a pro-independence majority on the committee. I also asked you for examples and you have failed to provide a single one.

And I listed an example of the European Parliament using it's democratic accountability in scrutinising the financials, blocking the budget and then forcing the collapse of the Santer Commission, you just proceeded to ignore that. You just continue to ignore the reality of the functions and outcomes that don't fit your perceptions.
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