How much do you dislike Trump?
#1
Serious question. That presumes you do dislike him? I'm actually yet to meet anyone in the UK who does look on him favourably.
Considering he isn't directly affecting us, I know people here who absolutely despise him with every atom of their being.
Most of these people are fairly ordinary folk too, who aren't even that political.
I must admit I'm up there revolted by him. However, I have to admit I'm captivated by the level of mind-boggling madness surrounding him. It's like some truly extraordinary soap opera.
Looking forward to this election like no other.
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#2
He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.
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#3
(10-09-2020, 09:25 AM)Big Daddy Cool Wrote: He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.

The electoral college ignoring the will of the majority of the voters made Trump president in the first place.
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#4
(10-09-2020, 09:43 AM)Borin' Baggie Wrote:
(10-09-2020, 09:25 AM)Big Daddy Cool Wrote: He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.

The electoral college ignoring the will of the majority of the voters made Trump president in the first place.

The U.S. is like the E.U., in that the states are run almost like seperate countries. So on that basis, it would be like France, Germany, and Spain installing their candidate as E.U. President when more countries wanted somebody else. You can't really have New York, California, and a couple of other states dictating to sparsely populated areas.

As for Trump, he is what he is. I don't like the bloke, but as BDC said, you have to take it up with the system that got him there in the first place.

I don't think it helps to have all these public figures (and news networks) seemingly frothing at the mouth with rage about it. I almost want him for another 4 years just to annoy these self-righteous idiots. He's a complete tool, you should rise above and do better, not sink to his level.
Refugee from westbrom.com
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#5
He's not just a 'tool' or an 'idiot' though. George Bush was an idiot, David Cameron was a tool. Trump is a racist, RAPIST, tax-avoiding, delusional, science-denying utter utter scumbag who endorses white supremacists and is one of the main reasons 210k US citizens are dead from covid. He should be in a secure psychiatric unit not the white house. A psychiatrist friend said to me that if anyone else had said what he said in his recent speech (about having the best body ever, recovering from covid quicker than anyone and having 'USA' instead of 'DNA') they'd be sectioned immediately.
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#6
(10-09-2020, 09:25 AM)Big Daddy Cool Wrote: He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.

Spot on.

Aside from the electoral system, the fact is elections are won by floating voters in the centre ground. Its those voters who vote for him, despite not liking him (he's their least worst option). But unfortunately too many scream "why have people voted form him", instead of looking at the reason the centre ground voted for him as 'least worst', as this is the reason he got in (and may yet still do so this time).

Too many see the nutters in Trump hats on the telly and think this is a typical voter, but these are not the people that make an difference to the election. Its the floating vote in swing states that wins/loses an election. And of course, the floating voters vote for a party due to their policies (or due to disliking the opposition policies), and still dislike the leader.
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#7
(10-09-2020, 10:31 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(10-09-2020, 09:25 AM)Big Daddy Cool Wrote: He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.

Spot on.

Aside from the electoral system, the fact is elections are won by floating voters in the centre ground. Its those voters who vote for him, despite not liking him (he's their least worst option). But unfortunately too many scream "why have people voted form him", instead of looking at the reason the centre ground voted for him as 'least worst', as this is the reason he got in (and may yet still do so this time).

Too many see the nutters in Trump hats on the telly and think this is a typical voter, but these are not the people that make an difference to the election. Its the floating vote in swing states that wins/loses an election.

Clinton received 3m more people’s votes than Trump he won because of the bizarre electoral college system. He appealed to people’s beliefs not rational thought just like has happened over here. Popularism is a dangerous and childish way to govern and to pander to those base emotions is not a way to run a country. Ironically the college system was set up to stop populist / belief over rational thought decisions from happening. In practice it seems it doesn’t really work.
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#8
(10-09-2020, 10:43 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(10-09-2020, 10:31 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(10-09-2020, 09:25 AM)Big Daddy Cool Wrote: He's an idiot who shouldn't be president but entertaining for sure.

Instead of hating Trump, people should think about what made him president in the first place. Why did American people feel the need to vote for him.

Spot on.

Aside from the electoral system, the fact is elections are won by floating voters in the centre ground. Its those voters who vote for him, despite not liking him (he's their least worst option). But unfortunately too many scream "why have people voted form him", instead of looking at the reason the centre ground voted for him as 'least worst', as this is the reason he got in (and may yet still do so this time).

Too many see the nutters in Trump hats on the telly and think this is a typical voter, but these are not the people that make an difference to the election. Its the floating vote in swing states that wins/loses an election.

Clinton received 3m more people’s votes than Trump he won because of the bizarre electoral college system. He appealed to people’s beliefs not rational thought just like has happened over here. Popularism is a dangerous and childish way to govern and to pander to those base emotions is not a way to run a country. Ironically the college system was set up to stop populist / belief over rational thought decisions from happening. In practice it seems it doesn’t really work.

That's the same in a lot of systems. You can theoretically win less votes in the UK and still have a majority. But the fact is, whatever the system, US elections are won by the floating vote, the centre ground. Sure plenty of voters were sucked in by beliefs, same as they are here, but there are lots of voters in America who votes for him as least worst. And these are the centre ground, the ones that don't like him, but still voted republican, and won him the election.

In fact to simplify it in the way you have Dekka is precisely one of the reasons he got in. There's plenty of voters who dislike Trump but felt they couldn't vote democrat for reasons of policy. To simply lump in everyone as getting taken in by populism without looking more closely at policies and the reasons the centre ground were put off voting democrat is actually one of the main reasons Trump won. (and similarly Brexit and Johnson winning in the UK).
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#9
Well you can spin it anyway you want but he still did not get as many votes as Clinton.

But he did win, albeit very narrowly in some cases, enough key states to win the electoral college.

Like many elections turnout is key. Motivating your supporters to turn out the vote or in some cases not being too objectionable to supporters of other parties is very important.

The idea of the floating voter, one that changes their mind from election to election is a bit over blown. It's usually more a case of doing enough to maximise votes from your supporters.
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#10
I agree with Shabby. I think the vast majority of people pick a side early on and its motivating those people to turn out which is what wins elections. 'floating voters' who require much persuading one way or the other are a bit of a myth IMO.

I also think policy has taken an enormous backstep over the past 10/15 years as a means by which one chooses who to vote for. When you get seemingly normal American citizens saying that Biden will 'destroy america' etc then its clear they haven't actually looked at his policies. They call him a far-left socialist when in the UK he'd probably be a centre-right Tory.
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