The Next Culture War
#11
You really should use some logic before posting.

All the lower paid jobs in the public sector have been shifted off into the private sector. Cleaners, bin men, nurseries and children's centres.
Welcome to the free market. Same market that means if you don't like a private sector job, you could always apply for one in the public sector.
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#12
(10-05-2020, 02:56 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(10-05-2020, 02:25 PM)Borin' Baggie Wrote: Ah, I see you have a subscription to The Times as well.

In my opinion, public sector vs private sector is missing the point. There are far fewer benefits to staying in the public sector these days aside from job security, the gap is so much smaller. The issues being raised seem to be more about capacity to work and the role of work, which adds in a chunk of the private sector to run parallel with the public sector against another chunk of the private sector. The friction between the two sectors has very little to do with the workers and more to do with the government issuing stupid and arbitrary rules that they change on a whim.

Regarding the pensions issue, people in the public sector just don't get the gold plated final salary pensions they used to. Last time this was looked at the majority was getting less than £5k as a pension with the mean still only going up to around £7500, the people at the top end are very few and far between nowadays.

MoneyWeek is a great read too.

You speak about £5K as a public sector pension as meagre. What do you think similar private sector workers in Auto Enrolment will be taking home? They'll be lucky if it's £1000. Auto Enrolment ought to be exposed as the greatest misselling scandal in history.

I'm really quite interested in the "far fewer" benefits to remaining in the public sector. When I worked there it was fixed 38-hour week, 25 days annual leave plus Bank Hoiliday "Tuesdays" + up to 24 days flexi leave. Free parking behind the NIA, essential car user allowance and mileage, final salary pension scheme (mine's still worth a 1/3 of my SIPP despite only 5 years service on modest pay v 20 outside public sector). Has it really altered that much?

I think the friction will occur if low paid workers in the private sector ever recognise how much better off low paid workers are in the public sector, and how they have zero prospect of ever catching up - particularly in pension terms.

£5k is meagre, just because a diet of a slice of bread and some cheese is better than just a slice of bread that doesn't make the former in any way substantial. It also misses the point about that being the median point pension, more people will be in the earlier brackets receiving far less than that. The issues with private pensions will affect both public sector and private sector workers as you can't rely on a workplace pension/average salary pension as you could older company and public pensions and the state pension will inevitable collapse or you will need to be 90 to be eligible by the time I'm in a position to retire especially if adjustments aren't made to it.

Regarding benefits, the private sector reacted to market demands and salaried hours are comparable except with a half hour lunch break vs one hour. Plenty of private sector businesses offer perks like car parking and company cars and plenty of public sector roles (like NHS workers or certain councils) have to pay for parking, and with how contracts are being provided the only leave entitlements people are getting is more flexible working (with the new working environment encouraging WFH I'd be surprised if that didn't start to filter down now so that benefit will likely go for comparable roles). As a salaried worker in the private sector my contract is for 37.5 hours per week with 25 days holiday entitlement not including bank holidays, I earn more than if I was working in the public sector based on advertised roles for the public sector and the only negative is I have less job security and you get more help with training schemes in the public sector but that's probably more to do with the company I work for being an SME.

And "low paid" workers in the public sector are paid through an agency nowadays whether that be temps or outsourced jobs so they would in turn count as private sector, not even mentioning outsourcing (again, counted in the private sector) so the only people directly paid as public sector workers will be considered as essential which in turn will provide higher salaries (and given pay freezes over the last 10 years, their equivalent private sector roles now pay more and, as we've seen, people are abandoning public sector roles for a few years for equivalent private sector roles at higher pay) so looking at salary numbers as a whole is pointless and you need to compare role vs role (if I was doing what I did for HS2 employed directly for HS2 ltd I would have been on less money than I was). Those low paid get no benefits whatsoever and the wages are not better than the private sector. When I was a temp at Warwick District Council over the summer between first year and second year at uni I got no additional work benefits compared with anyone who got paid through the same agency in the private sector.
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