Is this country now a kleptocracy
#31
(09-18-2020, 12:14 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Who knew that those who know their communities and care about health rather than profit are better equipped for er public’s health?

Most succesful healthcare systems in the world?

Pity about the NHS then.
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#32
(09-18-2020, 01:07 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 12:14 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Who knew that those who know their communities and care about health rather than profit are better equipped for er public’s health?

Most succesful healthcare systems in the world?

Pity about SERCO & Co then.

Amended for accuracy.
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#33
Well yes, I agree. Top down from the private nor public sectors is particularly effective.

However, putting something effective in place on a local level would have taken? How long?

If your whole healthcare system is top down you simply cannot turn on localism like a tap, ergo you have to procure from a top down provider; Serco or Capita.

Another good reason for the wholesale reform of the NHS and its funding.
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#34
They were already in place for the testing, they just needed scaling up. The local PHE was told to stop testing locally as it would be managed nationally. Wolverhampton is a good example - the PHE Director (who strangely I was talking to just prior to the outbreak at one of our night games) was on central news at the start of all this with his drive in centre working well.

And if you don't mind, your views on how things should be done are in tatters after you helped promote the most incompetent government in my lifetime. If you couldn't see how bad they were whilst you were amongst them, your judgement is seriously in question.
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(09-18-2020, 04:40 PM)baggy1 Wrote: And if you don't mind, your views on how things should be done are in tatters after you helped promote the most incompetent government in my lifetime. If you couldn't see how bad they were whilst you were amongst them, your judgement is seriously in question.

Not sure my views are in tatters when I disagree with what the most incompetent government in your lifetime is doing Baggy1.

#LeastWorst - imagine this under the other lot.
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#36
(09-20-2020, 09:24 PM)Protheroe Wrote:
(09-18-2020, 04:40 PM)baggy1 Wrote: And if you don't mind, your views on how things should be done are in tatters after you helped promote the most incompetent government in my lifetime. If you couldn't see how bad they were whilst you were amongst them, your judgement is seriously in question.

Not sure my views are in tatters when I disagree with what the most incompetent government in your lifetime is doing Baggy1.

#LeastWorst - imagine this under the other lot.

How scary things would be under Corbyn...

Huge centralisation of power and decision making into Whitehall, oh wait that's happening now.

Threats of tax increases and spiralling public debt, oh wait that's happening now.

Nationalisation of industries that have poor economic returns if they even get a return in the first place which is unlikely, oh wait that's happening now.

Wasting taxpayer money on vanity projects and white elephants despite an external solution via the markets is there and ready, oh wait that's happening now

Distortion of free market competition by pursuing looser state aid rules with the EU as a priority to help generate a socialist nightmare, oh wait that's happening now.

Pursuing rabid authoritarian nightmares with the reintroduction of ID cards except with wider reaching digital tracking to abuse the internet that are out of Tony Blair's wet dreams, oh wait that's happening now.

Infringement of civil liberties with the state overreaching their powers with what people are allowed to do, oh wait that's happening now.

Continuation of the nanny state by telling us what we can't eat and telling us what we can't do in our spare time in our own homes, oh wait that's happening now.

Hang on a minute, is Boris Johnson actually Jeremy Corbyn and Rishi Sunak actually John McDonnell? Because I'm struggling to tell the difference right now and it's almost like I tried to make this point to you before. Very curious.
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#37
The difference is BB, that all of those things would be taking place under Corbyn without the need for the Covid panic-induced idiocy infecting the parliamentary Tory Party. At least with a Tory government there is the prospect of some sort of return to right of centre politics, though it's so remote I predict it won't be during my lifetime.
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#38
All but the tax increase threats were taking place before March 2020. To blame Covid for the Tory party going down this path is ridiculous.
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#39
I see Panorama have lifted the lid on our ‘world beating’ Serco Track and Trace system! Good to see they are carrying on being as awful at this as they were with tagging.
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#40
(09-12-2020, 09:02 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Back to the original point, how many millions / billions have been given to private companies with no tender process in place since this government slithered into power?

Look after your friends and family in any line of buisness that's what normal people will do .....its a way of life rightly or wrong it will always go on just deal with it .
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