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I've seen a few posts on here and on various sites calling out the BLM movement as Marxist. It isn't obvious (clearly if they are it isn't something they would advertise) but can someone point out the Marxist points that they raise. I've looked and can't see anything apart from a bit of name calling.
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I'm only guessing here, but it might be the flip side of the coin that is used to defend the likes of Katie Hopkins on the spurious basis of freedom of speech, which some use - but only when it suits - as a licence to say or print absolutely anything.
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BLM's founders self identify BLM as a Marxist movement. I'm not sure what else there is to say.
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I compare BLM to the Rock against Racism campaign - there will no doubt be Marxists and also people who have never heard or read any Marx, but what matters most is that maybe some people will start taking an interest in what Marx and Engels had to say about capitalism and how racism will only ever be overcome when capitalism is replaced by socialism in the true sense of the word.
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06-23-2020, 12:23 PM
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I thought this was interesting. The website's not really my type of politics, more yours I think Proth, but I do like the way they write.
https://capx.co/why-the-right-must-resis...es-matter/
It gives an alternative response for the right than the current Fox-led polemic.
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(06-23-2020, 12:19 PM)igorbalis Wrote: socialism in the true sense of the word.
Is that the Socialism that comes with Jewish pogroms or Islamic reeducation camps? Or another type of Socialism?
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(06-23-2020, 12:04 PM)Protheroe Wrote: BLM's founders self identify BLM as a Marxist movement. I'm not sure what else there is to say.
Looking at the interviews the BLM founders self identify as 'trained Marxists' but in the same paragraph of that interview they also say that isn't the point of BLM. they say: " And I think that what we really tried to do is build a movement that could be utilized by many, many black folk. We don’t necessarily want to be the vanguard of this movement. I think we’ve tried to put out a political frame that’s about centering who we think are the most vulnerable amongst the black community, to really fight for all of our lives."
It seems a bit lazy to call the whole movement Marxist when they are saying that they have not wanted to be leading the movement in that direction. They are looking to create a movement that represents and supports.
Maybe you can point out any actual Marxist actions or mandates that the movement are following, or is it easier to say that they mentioned they had a Marxist background once in 2015 and therefore the whole BLM can be 'project feared' to keep it in it's place.
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(06-23-2020, 12:19 PM)igorbalis Wrote: I compare BLM to the Rock against Racism campaign - there will no doubt be Marxists and also people who have never heard or read any Marx, but what matters most is that maybe some people will start taking an interest in what Marx and Engels had to say about capitalism and how racism will only ever be overcome when capitalism is replaced by socialism in the true sense of the word.
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Stalin wasn’t a Marxist then or the USSR. He was quite fond on ‘Cleansing’ ethnic minorities.
Certain ethnic groups were deported to Siberia including: Tatars, Balkans, Chechens, Hungarians, Estonians and of course Jews.
Ukrainians were subjected to an enforced famine (Holodomor splg)
There was a genocide of Cossacks. Poles were persecuted and murdered.
Yep, Socialist workers of the world unite.
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06-23-2020, 01:21 PM
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(06-23-2020, 01:13 PM)JOK Wrote: (06-23-2020, 12:19 PM)igorbalis Wrote: I compare BLM to the Rock against Racism campaign - there will no doubt be Marxists and also people who have never heard or read any Marx, but what matters most is that maybe some people will start taking an interest in what Marx and Engels had to say about capitalism and how racism will only ever be overcome when capitalism is replaced by socialism in the true sense of the word.
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Stalin wasn’t a Marxist then or the USSR. He was quite fond on ‘Cleansing’ ethnic minorities.
Certain ethnic groups were deported to Siberia including: Tatars, Balkans, Chechens, Hungarians, Estonians and of course Jews.
Ukrainians were subjected to an enforced famine (Holodomor splg)
There was a genocide of Cossacks. Poles were persecuted and murdered.
Yep, Socialist workers of the world unite.
There aren't many powerful empires that come out well
Potato Famine
Indian famine
African Concentration camps
American Germ Warfare.
That's more a reflection of humanity, rather than a political movement or a nation.
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(06-23-2020, 01:21 PM)fuzzbox Wrote: (06-23-2020, 01:13 PM)JOK Wrote: (06-23-2020, 12:19 PM)igorbalis Wrote: I compare BLM to the Rock against Racism campaign - there will no doubt be Marxists and also people who have never heard or read any Marx, but what matters most is that maybe some people will start taking an interest in what Marx and Engels had to say about capitalism and how racism will only ever be overcome when capitalism is replaced by socialism in the true sense of the word.
Working Men of All Countries Unite!
Stalin wasn’t a Marxist then or the USSR. He was quite fond on ‘Cleansing’ ethnic minorities.
Certain ethnic groups were deported to Siberia including: Tatars, Balkans, Chechens, Hungarians, Estonians and of course Jews.
Ukrainians were subjected to an enforced famine (Holodomor splg)
There was a genocide of Cossacks. Poles were persecuted and murdered.
Yep, Socialist workers of the world unite.
There aren't many powerful empires that come out well
Potato Famine
Indian famine
African Concentration camps
American Germ Warfare.
That's more a reflection of humanity, rather than a political movement or a nation. Exactly. Human nature will out. Political mores are irrelevant.
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