Culture Wars

[Derek Hardballs]

The British "establishment" was split on the EU issue, as was the country.

Compare this with the AV referendum where the entire weight of the establishment genuinely was actually stacked on one side.

As for academia, people reliant on the EU for funding and research collaboration don't want to risk losing that. No shit. As for the judiciary, they did their constitutional role as per Common Law, we don't have a German-style legal system and how the Judiciary acted was within precedent.

Regarding democracy, the fundamental of our democracy is being able to challenge stuff you disagree with so it seems pretty obvious that the people doing the criticising of people who didn't want to leave the EU for not putting up and shutting up were the people being anti-democratic, why should people not be allowed to exercise their belief that they think the country is doing something stupid?

Brexit has been a complete shitshow for 4 years, we're due to leave the EU safety net at the end of the year and we're an international laughing stock already. Can't wait to see how this bunch of incompetent morons can make things worse.

Yuor first point is utterly ridiculous. There was no substantive part of the Establishment in favour of leaving the Eu at all:

All Parliamentary Parties - Remain
Civil Service - Remain
Bank of England - Remain
City of London - Remain
BBC - Remain
Academia - Remain
Senior judiciary - Remain
CBI - Remain
FSB - Remain
TUC - Remain
All Charities - Remain
NFU - Remain

The comparison with the AV Referendum is spurious. Every man and his dog knows AV is a ridiculous system that can actually make the outcome of elections LESS proportional. Thank goodness it was strangled at birth.

There is no such thing as "EU Funding". If the UK government values science (it does) then it will fill that gap. There is no reason on Earth why the UK cannot continue to collaborate with EU countries.

And seeing the EU as a "safety net" as the ECB begins following the BOJ down the road of shadow nationalisation? 

It is really quite mischevious of you to put the BBC, senior judiciary, civil service and the bank f england in that list.
All these organisations were not allowed and did not take a view on which way the referendum should be decided.

Quite clearly a significant part of the Conservative Party was in favour of leaving the EU, and many of these people were key stalwarts of the establishment.

Not to mention press barons who don’t even live in the country ffs! The idea that many in the VoteLeave camp are outside of the elite, establishment is utter nonsense perpetuated by some to convince others they were ‘giving to the man’. The same bullshit tactics that has seen Trump elected frigging president (that’s going well).

I doubt the list of organisations wanting to leave was quite so impressive... Still they are all collectively wrong where as the VoteLeave cabal in government have shown themselves to well prepared, trustworthy, honest, direct, intelligent and competent so far.