Fishing wars off Shetland
#1
The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/
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(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...
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#3
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.
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#4
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

That’ll sort it no doubt.

One quote said ‘imagine if we did that in Spanish waters? That suggests that the Spanish authorities just like the U.K. could if the will / capacity was there do something with or without EU.
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#5
We have to find common ground - A lot of fish that German and Spanish trawlers catch are not found on the UK's table.
Some fishing grounds originally owned by the UK have actually been sold to other EU countries.
The issue is far more complicated then us the general public are led to believe.
Until a boat and it's Crew is arrested / fined / banned / Catch confiscated it will continue and more so after Brexit.
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#6
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

The EU aren't the problem.

Holyrood and Westminster's reluctance in policing how the UK quotas operate despite having all the powers to do so, the quotas that were sold by private British individuals in the 90s en masse (more an issue in England than Scotland) to these Spanish and Dutch trawlers and the UK ceding waters to Iceland and Norway are the problems.

What do you expect the EU to do? They'll just come back and say it's the UK's fault for letting people sell the quotas, losing the Cod Wars and not using the powers that they have. The issue over fishing rights is a perfect example of people blaming the EU for something that is the fault of Westminster.
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(06-12-2020, 04:57 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

The EU aren't the problem.

Holyrood and Westminster's reluctance in policing how the UK quotas operate despite having all the powers to do so, the quotas that were sold by private British individuals in the 90s en masse (more an issue in England than Scotland) to these Spanish and Dutch trawlers and the UK ceding waters to Iceland and Norway are the problems.

What do you expect the EU to do? They'll just come back and say it's the UK's fault for letting people sell the quotas, losing the Cod Wars and not using the powers that they have. The issue over fishing rights is a perfect example of people blaming the EU for something that is the fault of Westminster.
Well I don't think the fishing industry in Shetland or anywhere are idiots that don't know what they are talking about. But this is a common theme, that anything bad under the EU is actually down to Westminster and/or Holyrood, which if true shows that being in the EU is of no benefit to them anyway and makes no difference if they do leave - the EU has been impotent or inactive or both. It is hardly an argument for staying in or an endorsement of the block. They may yet get sold out in negotiations or find that the sea is not greener afterwards, then at least Westminster and Holyrood will have to answer to them, which may promote the help they are looking for, if as you say all the issues these fishermen are complaining about are nothing to do with the EU. Also, if the EU are not really involved in these problems or making a difference, they don't seem to see it that way themselves, as they are fighting very hard to keep things as they are in the Brexit negotiations.
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#8
(06-13-2020, 03:08 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 04:57 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:31 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: The confrontations appear to be quite bad at the moment.
Doesn't seem to be properly policed (not sure how you easily can) and so Shetland Islanders keen (well the fish/aquaculture industry related folk, but that's the biggest sector of the economy even more than oil/gas) for no Brexit extension according to this article. 

https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2020/06/12/fi...behaviour/

If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

The EU aren't the problem.

Holyrood and Westminster's reluctance in policing how the UK quotas operate despite having all the powers to do so, the quotas that were sold by private British individuals in the 90s en masse (more an issue in England than Scotland) to these Spanish and Dutch trawlers and the UK ceding waters to Iceland and Norway are the problems.

What do you expect the EU to do? They'll just come back and say it's the UK's fault for letting people sell the quotas, losing the Cod Wars and not using the powers that they have. The issue over fishing rights is a perfect example of people blaming the EU for something that is the fault of Westminster.
Well I don't think the fishing industry in Shetland or anywhere are idiots that don't know what they are talking about. But this is a common theme, that anything bad under the EU is actually down to Westminster and/or Holyrood, which if true shows that being in the EU is of no benefit to them anyway and makes no difference if they do leave - the EU has been impotent or inactive or both. It is hardly an argument for staying in or an endorsement of the block. They may yet get sold out in negotiations or find that the sea is not greener afterwards, then at least Westminster and Holyrood will have to answer to them, which may promote the help they are looking for, if as you say all the issues these fishermen are complaining about are nothing to do with the EU. Also, if the EU are not really involved in these problems or making a difference, they don't seem to see it that way themselves, as they are fighting very hard to keep things as they are in the Brexit negotiations.

Brexit logic... it becomes possibly (no expert on fishing rights in the Sheltlands ;Wink apparent that sovereign nations have autonomy to make and enforce their own laws so can’t blame EU, so the argument becomes well if that’s the case the EU aren’t interfering enough in UK / other European disputes so what’s the point? They can’t win with that logic. Thankfully we now have an unelected advisor running the country with a cabinet of apologists right behind him.
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(06-13-2020, 03:35 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-13-2020, 03:08 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 04:57 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:43 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: If only there was a way to work together as nations to resolve these problems...

You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

The EU aren't the problem.

Holyrood and Westminster's reluctance in policing how the UK quotas operate despite having all the powers to do so, the quotas that were sold by private British individuals in the 90s en masse (more an issue in England than Scotland) to these Spanish and Dutch trawlers and the UK ceding waters to Iceland and Norway are the problems.

What do you expect the EU to do? They'll just come back and say it's the UK's fault for letting people sell the quotas, losing the Cod Wars and not using the powers that they have. The issue over fishing rights is a perfect example of people blaming the EU for something that is the fault of Westminster.
Well I don't think the fishing industry in Shetland or anywhere are idiots that don't know what they are talking about. But this is a common theme, that anything bad under the EU is actually down to Westminster and/or Holyrood, which if true shows that being in the EU is of no benefit to them anyway and makes no difference if they do leave - the EU has been impotent or inactive or both. It is hardly an argument for staying in or an endorsement of the block. They may yet get sold out in negotiations or find that the sea is not greener afterwards, then at least Westminster and Holyrood will have to answer to them, which may promote the help they are looking for, if as you say all the issues these fishermen are complaining about are nothing to do with the EU. Also, if the EU are not really involved in these problems or making a difference, they don't seem to see it that way themselves, as they are fighting very hard to keep things as they are in the Brexit negotiations.

Brexit logic... it becomes possibly (no expert on fishing rights in the Sheltlands ;Wink apparent that sovereign nations have autonomy to make and enforce their own laws so can’t blame EU, so the argument becomes well if that’s the case the EU aren’t interfering enough in UK / Other European disputes so what’s the point. They can’t win with that logic. Thankfully we now have an unelected advisor running the country reassuringly.

Your paraphrasing is getting worse. The dodgy logic is with something not working under the EU having nothing to do with the EU but will somehow be worse if not being in the EU. It is politician speech with an agenda. So I listen to those in the Scottish Fisherman's Federation instead who know the ins and outs of it. Just as I'd listen to those in the Scottish Agricultural Industry who do not want to leave the EU.
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#10
(06-13-2020, 03:40 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-13-2020, 03:35 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(06-13-2020, 03:08 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 04:57 PM)Borin\ Baggie Wrote:
(06-12-2020, 01:50 PM)Pickle Rick Wrote: You mean the EU? In this instance, the EU was the problem, if you read the article - been going on for years and not solved.
That is why the fisher folk want out so desperately.

The EU aren't the problem.

Holyrood and Westminster's reluctance in policing how the UK quotas operate despite having all the powers to do so, the quotas that were sold by private British individuals in the 90s en masse (more an issue in England than Scotland) to these Spanish and Dutch trawlers and the UK ceding waters to Iceland and Norway are the problems.

What do you expect the EU to do? They'll just come back and say it's the UK's fault for letting people sell the quotas, losing the Cod Wars and not using the powers that they have. The issue over fishing rights is a perfect example of people blaming the EU for something that is the fault of Westminster.
Well I don't think the fishing industry in Shetland or anywhere are idiots that don't know what they are talking about. But this is a common theme, that anything bad under the EU is actually down to Westminster and/or Holyrood, which if true shows that being in the EU is of no benefit to them anyway and makes no difference if they do leave - the EU has been impotent or inactive or both. It is hardly an argument for staying in or an endorsement of the block. They may yet get sold out in negotiations or find that the sea is not greener afterwards, then at least Westminster and Holyrood will have to answer to them, which may promote the help they are looking for, if as you say all the issues these fishermen are complaining about are nothing to do with the EU. Also, if the EU are not really involved in these problems or making a difference, they don't seem to see it that way themselves, as they are fighting very hard to keep things as they are in the Brexit negotiations.

Brexit logic... it becomes possibly (no expert on fishing rights in the Sheltlands ;Wink apparent that sovereign nations have autonomy to make and enforce their own laws so can’t blame EU, so the argument becomes well if that’s the case the EU aren’t interfering enough in UK / Other European disputes so what’s the point. They can’t win with that logic. Thankfully we now have an unelected advisor running the country reassuringly.

Your paraphrasing is getting worse. The dodgy logic is with something not working under the EU having nothing to do with the EU but will somehow be worse if not being in the EU. It is politician speech with an agenda. So I listen to those in the Scottish Fisherman's Federation instead who know the ins and outs of it. Just as I'd listen to those in the Scottish Agricultural Industry who do not want to leave the EU.

The argument by Brexit supporters has always been about the lack of control over our own laws. If and I stress if we do have U.K. law to defend / police fishing waters then blaming the EU for not interfering is unfair criticism. You can’t have your Hake and eat it.
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