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Ripped off for generations....not by immigrants, single mothers or other unfortunates
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#2
Conflating avoidance with evasion is playground politics.

As I've stated many times on here, avoidance is rational behaviour. Taxation is legalised extortion. Anyone in their right mind only pays what is legally due.

Those who think otherwise probably view the State as a benign institution which it's clearly not.

Have you got a bar for tax rebates underclaimed? No? Thought not.
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Proth, are your reading faculties declining as you move towards your dotage?
The bar clearly stated avoidance and evasion
Conflating a single entity with two separate things is kindergarten politics


"Taxation is legalised extortion."


In your opinion.
In my opinion taxation is what we have that makes us civilised and living in neither anarchy nor starvation and rags
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(11-06-2017, 11:55 PM)Donegal Wrote: Proth, are your reading faculties declining as you move towards your dotage?
The bar clearly stated avoidance and evasion
Conflating a single entity with two separate things is kindergarten politics


"Taxation is legalised extortion."


In your opinion.
In my opinion taxation is what we have that makes us civilised and living in neither anarchy nor starvation and rags

Exactly. Proth lives in an imaginary world.
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#5
I'm somewhere in the middle on this.
Its normal if you can avoid paying tax legally that you do and most people do this just to varying degrees.
There's also some moral obligation for everyone to contribute to the greater good and yes higher earners should pay some more but not excessively so.
I do think Corporate tax needs to be fixed meaning that big companies aren't allowed an unfair advantage over smaller ones who aren't able to have the complex systems (double Irish anyone) that bigger companies aren't. Equally taxing dividends is double taxation and should be eliminated.
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(11-06-2017, 11:55 PM)Donegal Wrote: Proth, are your reading faculties declining as you move towards your dotage?
The bar clearly stated avoidance and evasion
Conflating a single entity with two separate things is kindergarten politics
I think you're missing the point. Why have a single bar for evasion and avoidance? Why not have two? It's pathetic and sensationalist.

(11-06-2017, 11:55 PM)Donegal Wrote: "Taxation is legalised extortion."

This is a statement of FACT Donny. If a charity with more benevolent ends in sight than the State became entitled to 20% of your income you'd rightly scream theif!

The State picks you pocket for benign and malign reasons and you meekly accept it. You fall for the sensationalist claptrap about avoidance which the ruling class uses as a convenient smokescreen to divert your attention from how they're already wasting billions operating 1950s standard public 'services'. That's the true scandal.

(11-07-2017, 07:23 AM)Derek Hardballs Wrote: Exactly. Proth lives in an imaginary world.

Not really Derek. I just understand the world we live in a little better than others.
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#7
I avoided VAT on a new car some years ago when you could, it involved a bit of a delay but why
would I not seek to save as much as possible? I then paid VAT on all the fuel I used and road
tax without question.

Who doesn't seek to reduce what the state rips from your grasp, I worry about people who seem
happy to hand over more and more whilst watching it being wasted in ever bigger bundles
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"You fall for the sensationalist claptrap about avoidance which the ruling class uses as a convenient smokescreen to divert your attention from how they're already wasting billions operating 1950s standard public 'services'. That's the true scandal."


There you go with your binary arguments again
I still have the wit to see public services need to better AND that the rich take the piss with tax

It isn't a smokescreen at all, there's a whole army of financial lawyers and accountants making it a reality. The only smoke screen is the elite getting people to worry More about benefits scroungers than people who don't pay their fair share of tax
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(11-07-2017, 07:35 PM)Donegal Wrote: "You fall for the sensationalist claptrap about avoidance which the ruling class uses as a convenient smokescreen to divert your attention from how they're already wasting billions operating 1950s standard public 'services'. That's the true scandal."


There you go with your binary arguments again
I still have the wit to see public services need to better AND that the rich take the piss with tax

It isn't a smokescreen at all, there's a whole army of financial lawyers and accountants making it a reality. The only smoke screen is the elite getting people to worry More about benefits scroungers than people who don't pay their fair share of tax

Quite. How anyone who supports the Tories can see themselves as anything but a supporter of the ruling class is a little confusing .
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(11-07-2017, 09:02 PM)Derek Hardballs Wrote:
(11-07-2017, 07:35 PM)Donegal Wrote: "You fall for the sensationalist claptrap about avoidance which the ruling class uses as a convenient smokescreen to divert your attention from how they're already wasting billions operating 1950s standard public 'services'. That's the true scandal."


There you go with your binary arguments again
I still have the wit to see public services need to better AND that the rich take the piss with tax

It isn't a smokescreen at all, there's a whole army of financial lawyers and accountants making it a reality. The only smoke screen is the elite getting people to worry More about benefits scroungers than people who don't pay their fair share of tax

Quite. How anyone who supports the Tories can see themselves as anything but a supporter of the ruling class is a little confusing .

So what is the difference between the socialist ruling class and capitalist ruling class? You seriously think that McDonnell and Corbyn aren’t going to make us all worse off if they get the chance? Do think people were better off in Eastern Europe 30 years ago or better off here in capitalist UK.
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