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I have a colleague in Jacksonville (so north Florida) that I speak to regularly and he says it's getting better but has been a car crash, especially around spring break. The State has had to get extra funding to push out the vaccination programme which is going ok now. Strangely the locals are the opposite of the UK with all adults wanting the vaccination roll out and even pushing to get the kids done as well.
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(04-07-2021, 11:32 AM)baggy1 Wrote: I have a colleague in Jacksonville (so north Florida) that I speak to regularly and he says it's getting better but has been a car crash, especially around spring break. The State has had to get extra funding to push out the vaccination programme which is going ok now. Strangely the locals are the opposite of the UK with all adults wanting the vaccination roll out and even pushing to get the kids done as well.

A car crash? Really? I heard spring break was chaos. Not sure about the rest being a car crash.

But the point is, “let’s get back to normal” does not mean Brazil. Apples and pears. Malc’s right, no vaccination and letting it run riot is the root of Brazil’s problems.

Getting back to normal with the vaccine has to be the aim, or I don’t know where we’re going.
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(04-07-2021, 11:37 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 11:32 AM)baggy1 Wrote: I have a colleague in Jacksonville (so north Florida) that I speak to regularly and he says it's getting better but has been a car crash, especially around spring break. The State has had to get extra funding to push out the vaccination programme which is going ok now. Strangely the locals are the opposite of the UK with all adults wanting the vaccination roll out and even pushing to get the kids done as well.

A car crash? Really? I heard spring break was chaos. Not sure about the rest being a car crash.

But the point is, “let’s get back to normal” does not mean Brazil. Apples and pears. Malc’s right, no vaccination and letting it run riot is the root of Brazil’s problems.

Getting back to normal with the vaccine has to be the aim, or I don’t know where we’re going.

It's simple, get as many vaccinated as possible and we will get back to normal. I keep saying, if people want to continue to want it both ways (no vaccination and open up) then we are going to be back in lockdown. It's not rocket science.

And I'm going on what my colleague said, another went to florida during spring break to their beach apartment and stayed in for the whole time with quick trips to the supermarket. And I don't see any reason to question what they said, they are there on the ground.
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(04-07-2021, 11:50 AM)baggy1 Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 11:37 AM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 11:32 AM)baggy1 Wrote: I have a colleague in Jacksonville (so north Florida) that I speak to regularly and he says it's getting better but has been a car crash, especially around spring break. The State has had to get extra funding to push out the vaccination programme which is going ok now. Strangely the locals are the opposite of the UK with all adults wanting the vaccination roll out and even pushing to get the kids done as well.

A car crash? Really? I heard spring break was chaos. Not sure about the rest being a car crash.

But the point is, “let’s get back to normal” does not mean Brazil. Apples and pears. Malc’s right, no vaccination and letting it run riot is the root of Brazil’s problems.

Getting back to normal with the vaccine has to be the aim, or I don’t know where we’re going.

It's simple, get as many vaccinated as possible and we will get back to normal. I keep saying, if people want to continue to want it both ways (no vaccination and open up) then we are going to be back in lockdown. It's not rocket science.

And I'm going on what my colleague said, another went to florida during spring break to their beach apartment and stayed in for the whole time with quick trips to the supermarket. And I don't see any reason to question what they said, they are there on the ground.

Indeed, as I said, high vaccination rates to get back to normal. That’s not like Brazil was my point.

I’ve said before I believe there’ll be high vaccination rates (very high in over 50s) and still another lockdown next winter but got called a doom merchant and told it was different this time due to the vaccination programme. I note SAGE are worried about a third wave being as bad as January’s. If that’s the case after this many vaccinations, we have no hope. Literally no hope. Let’s hope they’re wrong.

Spring break was chaos yes. I don’t think Florida in general has been a car crash or the pubs and restaurants wouldn’t have stayed open for the last 7 months.
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Clotting.

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Johnson looks really ill the last few weeks. Anyone else thought this?
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There will be a 3rd wave, there will be deaths. Its a pipe dream that we can eradicate this thing. There will be calls to lockdown but as long as vaccines work with some efficiency, I don't see the govt locking down as we have done. It will be difficult to govern, working out what is acceptable deaths wise but sadly we have to accept that people will die from this and it's another cause of death that will live amongst us.
To some, probably a few reading this, will find that distasteful but locking down 2 or 3 times a year simply isn't sustainable and will cause far more pain that it stops.

I have not been against lockdown. I have suffered personally from losing people close. But you simply cannot just keep kicking the negative effects of lockdown can down the road before we suffer implosion far worse than covid.
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(04-07-2021, 12:14 PM)richbaggie Wrote: There will be a 3rd wave, there will be deaths. Its a pipe dream that we can eradicate this thing. There will be calls to lockdown but as long as vaccines work with some efficiency, I don't see the govt locking down as we have done. It will be difficult to govern, working out what is acceptable deaths wise but sadly we have to accept that people will die from this and it's another cause of death that will live amongst us.
To some,  probably a few reading this, will find that distasteful but locking down 2 or 3 times a year simply isn't sustainable and will cause far more pain that it stops.

I have not been against lockdown. I have suffered personally from losing people close. But you simply cannot just keep kicking the negative effects of lockdown can down the road before we suffer implosion far worse than covid.

Totally agree Rich. Great post.

My distrust of the government comes from the ever moving goalposts. Back to normal by Xmas, then Easter, then summer, now 2022 being suggested. Vaccines for freedom, now vaccines and two tests a week and it might still not be enough. I don’t understand that. The vaccines stop serious cases in a huge proportion, and a huge proportion of serious cases were already in over 50s. A huge proportion of these have had vaccines. If this isn’t enough, combined with a decent uptake on the under 50s (which there will be), we are fucked. And I mean fucked.

I believe if there’s lockdowns in the autumn there will be riots. I’m not joking. And I believe this is one of the significant reasons they’re trying to get the Bill through parliament to come down harder on protests/riots. I believe the government are expecting chaos.

Many people think we’re on the home straight. I hope they’re right and I’m wrong, genuinely. I believe the chaos hasn’t even started yet. Sorry for the pessimism. Just my gut feeling. I really really hope I’m wrong.
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(04-07-2021, 12:19 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 12:14 PM)richbaggie Wrote: There will be a 3rd wave, there will be deaths. Its a pipe dream that we can eradicate this thing. There will be calls to lockdown but as long as vaccines work with some efficiency, I don't see the govt locking down as we have done. It will be difficult to govern, working out what is acceptable deaths wise but sadly we have to accept that people will die from this and it's another cause of death that will live amongst us.
To some,  probably a few reading this, will find that distasteful but locking down 2 or 3 times a year simply isn't sustainable and will cause far more pain that it stops.

I have not been against lockdown. I have suffered personally from losing people close. But you simply cannot just keep kicking the negative effects of lockdown can down the road before we suffer implosion far worse than covid.

Totally agree Rich. Great post.

My distrust of the government comes from the ever moving goalposts. Back to normal by Xmas, then Easter, then summer, now 2022 being suggested. Vaccines for freedom, now vaccines and two tests a week and it might still not be enough. I don’t understand that. The vaccines stop serious cases in a huge proportion, and a huge proportion of serious cases were already in over 50s. A huge proportion of these have had vaccines. If this isn’t enough, combined with a decent uptake on the under 50s (which there will be), we are fucked. And I mean fucked.

I believe if there’s lockdowns in the autumn there will be riots. I’m not joking. And I believe this is one of the significant reasons they’re trying to get the Bill through parliament to come down harder on protests/riots. I believe the government  are expecting chaos.

Many people think we’re on the home straight. I hope they’re right and I’m wrong, genuinely. I believe the chaos hasn’t even started yet. Sorry for the pessimism. Just my gut feeling. I really really hope I’m wrong.

Where we probably disagree, is that the govt will lockdown again. I don't think they will. Some restrictions at most. I believe that vaccines will work well enough for the NHS to cope. There will be calls to lockdown if it gets stretched and people are dying but that's absolutely no different to every winter. The acceptance that people will die is a bridge we have yet to cross.
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(04-07-2021, 12:31 PM)richbaggie Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 12:19 PM)backsidebaggie Wrote:
(04-07-2021, 12:14 PM)richbaggie Wrote: There will be a 3rd wave, there will be deaths. Its a pipe dream that we can eradicate this thing. There will be calls to lockdown but as long as vaccines work with some efficiency, I don't see the govt locking down as we have done. It will be difficult to govern, working out what is acceptable deaths wise but sadly we have to accept that people will die from this and it's another cause of death that will live amongst us.
To some,  probably a few reading this, will find that distasteful but locking down 2 or 3 times a year simply isn't sustainable and will cause far more pain that it stops.

I have not been against lockdown. I have suffered personally from losing people close. But you simply cannot just keep kicking the negative effects of lockdown can down the road before we suffer implosion far worse than covid.

Totally agree Rich. Great post.

My distrust of the government comes from the ever moving goalposts. Back to normal by Xmas, then Easter, then summer, now 2022 being suggested. Vaccines for freedom, now vaccines and two tests a week and it might still not be enough. I don’t understand that. The vaccines stop serious cases in a huge proportion, and a huge proportion of serious cases were already in over 50s. A huge proportion of these have had vaccines. If this isn’t enough, combined with a decent uptake on the under 50s (which there will be), we are fucked. And I mean fucked.

I believe if there’s lockdowns in the autumn there will be riots. I’m not joking. And I believe this is one of the significant reasons they’re trying to get the Bill through parliament to come down harder on protests/riots. I believe the government  are expecting chaos.

Many people think we’re on the home straight. I hope they’re right and I’m wrong, genuinely. I believe the chaos hasn’t even started yet. Sorry for the pessimism. Just my gut feeling. I really really hope I’m wrong.

Where we probably disagree, is that the govt will lockdown again. I don't think they will. Some restrictions at most. I believe that vaccines will work well enough for the NHS to cope. There will be calls to lockdown if it gets stretched and people are dying but that's absolutely no different to every winter. The acceptance that people will die is a bridge we have yet to cross.

The vaccines certainly should work well enough for the nhs to cope. That was the aim, protecting the nhs. I feel some people have lost sight of that and reducing covid at all costs has taken over. My suspicion comes from the ever moving goalposts from the government, but I hope you’re right about lockdowns as they simply can’t continue.
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