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A reality check... - Derek Hardballs - 03-13-2020

Perhaps we can go back to listening and respecting experts and science again? After years of bullshit from the likes of Trump, Gove etc. This may be a turning point away from populist nonsense and a return to rational thought. Science and experts seem very popular at the moment with the media unlike barely four months ago where professional bullshitters were the very height of fashion.

I doubt it but trying to find something positive in this mess we are currently in.


RE: A reality check... - The liquidator - 03-13-2020

So your saying all the rest of europe are liars and listen to the likes of farage .........the eu who love and adore ...its what you wanted to be part of make your fucking mind up will you .


RE: A reality check... - Derek Hardballs - 03-13-2020

(03-13-2020, 07:45 PM)WeThe liquidator Wrote: So your saying all the rest of europe are liars and listen to the likes of farage .........the eu who love and adore ...its what you wanted to be part of make your fucking mind up will you .

What? That makes no sense. I’m saying science and experts are who we turn to when the shit hits the fan. The problem is not all experts agree and who knows if our experts are right or others are. However I’d rather have scientists and medical experts working collaboratively across the globe to solve this problem than dismiss them. There was / is a distinct anti-education, intellectual feeling amongst the population over the last few years. It wasn’t helpful or ahem clever!


RE: A reality check... - The liquidator - 03-13-2020

There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.


RE: A reality check... - TETLEY74 - 03-14-2020

(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry


RE: A reality check... - JOK - 03-14-2020

(03-14-2020, 11:36 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry
You are both correct about cheap political point scoring of course but T74 I would say Ebola was far more of a threat to life, for the majority, than the present virus


RE: A reality check... - hudds - 03-14-2020

(03-14-2020, 11:36 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry

It's a problem right enough but is it going to be worse, say, than 1968 and the "Hong Kong flu" that killed 80,000 folk in the UK?  It's about management and proportion. If there was a world of instant news in '68, we might have had the same sense of doom.


RE: A reality check... - HeathAyIt - 03-14-2020

(03-14-2020, 12:58 PM)hudds Wrote:
(03-14-2020, 11:36 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry

It's a problem right enough but is it going to be worse, say, than 1968 and the "Hong Kong flu" that killed 80,000 folk in the UK?  It's about management and proportion. If there was a world of instant news in '68, we might have had the same sense of doom.

The world is a totally different place to 1968. Fully interconnected and interdependent in every way.


RE: A reality check... - Borin' Baggie - 03-14-2020

(03-14-2020, 12:58 PM)hudds Wrote:
(03-14-2020, 11:36 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry

It's a problem right enough but is it going to be worse, say, than 1968 and the "Hong Kong flu" that killed 80,000 folk in the UK?  It's about management and proportion. If there was a world of instant news in '68, we might have had the same sense of doom.

HK flu was a strain of influenza and therefore was easy to apply assumptions to and model the disease, therefore allowing for easier containment and management of it. The main criticism regarding the UK government response to coronavirus from medical experts both within and outside the UK is our application of said assumptions to this virus for the disease management protocols.

Coronavirus is not a strain of flu, it's a strain of SARS.


RE: A reality check... - hudds - 03-14-2020

(03-14-2020, 01:29 PM)HeathAyIt Wrote:
(03-14-2020, 12:58 PM)hudds Wrote:
(03-14-2020, 11:36 AM)TETLEY74 Wrote:
(03-13-2020, 10:07 PM)The liquidator Wrote: There is not one answer to this but having a go at boris etc and trying to score political points isnt going to do anyone any good .....pull together you might find we all want the same thing.

Exactly bud spot on, we are in the midst of the most serious crisis and threat to life since ww2 yet some still can't help themselves with cheap political point scoring, and we wonder why this country is fugged up.   Angry

It's a problem right enough but is it going to be worse, say, than 1968 and the "Hong Kong flu" that killed 80,000 folk in the UK?  It's about management and proportion. If there was a world of instant news in '68, we might have had the same sense of doom.

The world is a totally different place to 1968. Fully interconnected and interdependent in every way.

I was really talking about communication and advice/facts dissemination.  Also, 68 was only just over 20 years after the trauma of a major war so people had a different perspective.   The past is a different country.